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1. redsig
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   I have been thinking about the difficulties that newbies have in locating information. Yes there are the courses starting up with Cert 3 and Cert IV Quals, then there are the courses that are run by industry leaders for various groups i.e. the course that MCC runs for McArthur, but where do people turn afterwards. Some are lucky to go to councils with loads of support, but some are stranded in no mans land trying to realise the theoretical, whilst working towards a more practicle approach.
   Anyway I am just wondering if perhaps a newbie section within either the website or the newsletter might be of some support. If newsletter perhaps utilising a point of law and tearing it apart so that we can see various points in a similar way to a magistrate.
   Parking opposite double white is a classic for that as there appears to be so many variations to the theme, where does a road stop, what if there is a bike lane, what if....

   Anyway any feedback on this idea would be appreciated.

   Posted 1 year ago #

2. redsig
   Member

   Looking for info on the correct interpretation of 334. I was told that signs do not apply to vehicles parked behind them, however our engineers are stating that the kerb bends so therefore the signs apply from the kerb.
   Which is correct.

   Posted 1 year ago #

3. redsig
   Member

   another question, what are peoples perceptions of primary and secondary reasons for the usage of areas such as Loading Zones?
   I know it is possible to book someone for using a restricted area like a loading zone or taxi rank, but is it able to stand up in court?
   Taxi Driver returns with a bag of shopping after parking in a taxi rank, he suggests that it is his own personal shopping, you book him, or do you? What about this time it is his lunch?
   A person unloads their vehicle and on the way back stops to pick up a sandwhich, do you book him?
   I had never considered the implications of primary and secondary reasoning until it was brought up by my Manager in a discussion about the use of a loading bay, but now I have to get a clear understanding so I can feel comfortable with this ideology.
   Examples in law of exceptions or succesful prosecutions would be greatly appreciated.

   Posted 1 year ago #

4. redsig
   Member

   Sorry clarification on this one.
   "Looking for info on the correct interpretation of 334. I was told that signs do not apply to vehicles parked behind them, however our engineers are stating that the kerb bends so therefore the signs apply from the kerb.
   Which is correct."

   By bend I mean the kerb is going into a parking/passing bay. Not that it is going around a corner and following the natural curvature of the road.

   Posted 1 year ago #

5. JolyonPorter
   Member

   Rule 334 - From what I can read from your description, the fact that the kerb goes into a recess such as a parking bay or passing bay would make no difference as long as there is a start sign and end sign, and the arrows on the sign point towards the other (or next) sign.
   If the recess is a parking bay, it strikes me that there would be some other sort of restriction there anyway(?).
   As for loading zones, here in Adelaide we have time limits on the signs (10 minutes for passenmger vehicles and 30 for goods vehicles) and simply give them the time and report overstayers. This simplifies the problem of what constitutes loading.
   On the odd occassion, Officers will do constant observations of a zone and they can report drivers they see leave and return without loading "goods difficult to manage due to their size or weight" as described under SA legislation. Not sure if you have anything similar in Vic.
   As for Taxi zones, there is nothing in the ARR's to say they have to be plying for trade, just that they are driving a taxi, so it is going to be difficult to report them for an offence even though they are not working.
   Hope these answers are of help.

   Posted 1 year ago #

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